1 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,240 He did’nt like very much to study, 2 00:00:10,240 --> 00:00:11,520 was not gifted for it, 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,440 but well, he was now ready to work, 4 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:21,040 he was actually due to start working in Alcampo Supermarket 5 00:00:21,200 --> 00:00:24,200 the day after he was murdered, 6 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:27,800 which means he did’nt had time for anything else 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:30,800 Sonia was a transexual 8 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:32,720 who had been repudiated by her family 9 00:00:32,960 --> 00:00:35,240 who had gone through a lot of problems. 10 00:00:35,480 --> 00:00:39,440 At a certain time she had had a certain public exposure 11 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:40,640 during the Transition, 12 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:42,800 and she appeared in the newspapers, 13 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:44,800 she worked in show business, 14 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:51,320 let’s say that her situation was similar to that of many other persons 15 00:00:51,560 --> 00:00:54,080 which the society does not like. 16 00:00:56,360 --> 00:01:01,720 At 16 he was already a militant in youth organizations like Maulets 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:04,600 He was very young, 18 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,480 and his friends were... 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:12,920 independentists and anti fascists, 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:18,600 but aside from his committed militancy with youth organizations, 21 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:20,120 he had a normal life. 22 00:01:22,320 --> 00:01:23,400 Alejo was Alejo. 23 00:01:23,480 --> 00:01:25,440 he was someone who had robbed everybody 24 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:27,040 who pulled a knife on us, 25 00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:30,000 but he was a person who lived in the streets 26 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:31,800 for a number of circumstances, 27 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:33,920 he had a very complicated life, 28 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,200 and he was rather defenceless. 29 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:41,720 Well, Aitor was a very normal young fellow. 30 00:01:41,960 --> 00:01:43,040 Hardworker... 31 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:45,120 very responsible. 32 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:50,400 A great friend for his friends, and less amiable towards his enemies, 33 00:01:54,360 --> 00:01:59,200 and also he was a true football fan, he loved football 34 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:01,560 especially for the Real Sociedad… 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:07,200 We stayed in the neighborhhod, that is the cemetery of Alcorcón 36 00:02:07,440 --> 00:02:11,000 can see the wall poster “Gargajos”, which was his own band, 37 00:02:11,240 --> 00:02:14,240 and that is our life at fifteen or sixteen years, 38 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:18,440 the life of all jobless, drinking a few beers in the park, 39 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,240 looking for something to do, 40 00:02:20,480 --> 00:02:23,240 one trying to get a drivers license, the other one expecting a job. 41 00:02:23,480 --> 00:02:27,560 Richar worked at the bar, he was the only one with a stable job, 42 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:32,000 the rest of us were idle and waiting without knowing for what, 43 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:35,160 we had no idea of anything, just figure… 44 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:38,920 WHAT EYES DON’T SEE... 45 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:45,240 Victims of fascism from Spanish Transition to Democracy, till today. 46 00:02:50,640 --> 00:02:51,720 Yolanda was a child, 47 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,000 She was 20 when they murdered her. 48 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,080 I had met her two years before… 49 00:02:56,640 --> 00:02:59,240 We met during our political activities, 50 00:02:59,480 --> 00:03:01,400 she was with the Young Socialists 51 00:03:01,640 --> 00:03:04,040 and I worked as an economist in UGT 52 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:07,080 I met her through our political activities, 53 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:10,960 She was a young girl from Bilbao, 54 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,920 nervous and very active, like many people at the time, 55 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,480 who started to work in political activities. 56 00:03:19,160 --> 00:03:22,000 Yolanda González was a student... 57 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:27,120 at the beginning of 1980, 58 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:30,040 which was the toughest year of Transition. 59 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:33,400 Yolanda was the first murder of many other deaths 60 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,560 attributable to the extrem right. 61 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:40,160 A right wing commando, which included also members of the Police, 62 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,880 selected her because she was the representative 63 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:47,560 of the Coordination of Secondary School Students. 64 00:03:48,280 --> 00:03:51,720 They kidnapped her when she was nineteen 65 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:58,320 and murdered her in a road on the outskirts of Madrid 66 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:01,680 I went then to all police precincts and spoke with the judges, 67 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:05,320 and I was told that she was not detained nor arrested, 68 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:09,840 and some friends called me later to tell me it was in the news. 69 00:04:10,040 --> 00:04:11,880 In the commando that murdered Yolanda 70 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,600 there was a member of the Guardia Civil, a police officer, 71 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:18,040 a member of Intelligence services of Carrero Blanco, 72 00:04:18,040 --> 00:04:19,280 they were all there… 73 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:24,280 All these peculiar forms, normal during the Transition to democracy 74 00:04:24,280 --> 00:04:26,680 allowed to survive for a time, 75 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:29,000 going forward and backward, 76 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:33,040 and that caused that some sectors reacted violently 77 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:34,840 against this situation, 78 00:04:34,840 --> 00:04:39,480 and there was no doubt that the mere existence of all these organizations 79 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,200 made possible this type of events. 80 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,760 Though there are similarities, there are also differences 81 00:04:45,760 --> 00:04:50,920 between the way the fascism or the right wing groups murder in the street 82 00:04:51,160 --> 00:04:53,360 and the way they operated at the time. 83 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:56,760 They were then much more directly connected 84 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:58,720 to the services of information, 85 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:04,120 to the Police or to the Guardia Civil who were the “bad guys”, 86 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,400 the last possibility for those who wished to control the process 87 00:05:08,640 --> 00:05:10,880 of the Transition to Democracy 88 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:17,760 to threaten, intimidate or neutralize the people who were fighting. 89 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,760 Today, things are different, 90 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,200 there is a new component which didn't exist before, 91 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,120 when things were strictly more political, 92 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,440 Franquists vs Anti franquists, 93 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:31,200 we have today new components like racism, 94 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:37,680 Nazism against delinquency or begging which did not exist before. 95 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:41,120 After reviewing the frequency of events, 96 00:05:41,920 --> 00:05:45,000 we now maintain that there are 97 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:47,880 around 4000 aggressions per year. 98 00:05:48,400 --> 00:05:50,960 There is no official data on these figures, 99 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:54,240 though we have demanded it for more than ten years. 100 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:58,000 It has been an institutional stubbornness of all governments 101 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,560 to ignore blatantly the claims of the European Council and OSCE 102 00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,600 (Organisation for the Security and Cooperation in Europe). 103 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:12,080 "They went hunting, and with great success" 104 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:19,080 On the night of may 21, 1995, 105 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:20,680 in Alcorcón (Madrid). 106 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:24,160 In a zone with lots of pubs, 107 00:06:24,640 --> 00:06:25,880 of all classes, 108 00:06:27,720 --> 00:06:30,320 and specifically a "grunge pub", 109 00:06:30,560 --> 00:06:32,400 and close to it a techno pub 110 00:06:32,400 --> 00:06:35,640 where a group of Nazis was celebrating a birthday. 111 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:36,960 Somebody told Richar: 112 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:39,800 “Look, there is a bunch of Nazis" and they approached the group 113 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:41,600 As soon as they saw Richar, 114 00:06:41,600 --> 00:06:45,800 with his typical punk hair, like Sid Vicious, or Johny Rotten, 115 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:47,600 the Nazis attacked him 116 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:50,720 and they also hit two other guys who were with him 117 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,960 but were not part of our group, we just knew them. 118 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,200 Richar was hit, stabbed and kicked. 119 00:06:57,440 --> 00:06:58,960 When I got there 120 00:06:58,960 --> 00:07:01,960 I saw a guy with a gun in his hand 121 00:07:01,960 --> 00:07:05,400 when I saw Richar in the floor, 122 00:07:05,480 --> 00:07:07,960 I said: “shit! Sons of a bitch! 123 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:10,160 And I did’nt stop shouting: SOBS!!!” 124 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:14,200 While I was in the floor Richar was attacked from the back 125 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:16,520 and the only thing I could do 126 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:19,400 was covering my head and wait until they tired… 127 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:26,480 Guillem was special because he had an hability for swimming (breast style) 128 00:07:26,640 --> 00:07:35,240 and he started participating in competitions throughout the country, 129 00:07:36,640 --> 00:07:40,400 Barcelona, Madrid, Euskadi, 130 00:07:42,000 --> 00:07:48,000 and of course with his way of thinking and an athletic complexion 131 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,600 he did’nt fear anybody or anything. 132 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,680 But obviously 133 00:07:53,680 --> 00:08:05,600 when he was surrounded by five guys there was nothing he could do. 134 00:08:06,720 --> 00:08:08,800 When we entered in the coach (car), 135 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:10,920 without uttering a word... 136 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:14,120 When he saw us, he pulled a knife 137 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:17,040 and stabbeded him in the heart. 138 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:20,400 I learned through a phone call, 139 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:24,960 though I did’nt know it was my son, 140 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:28,680 but after what happened in Legazpi 141 00:08:28,680 --> 00:08:31,760 and knowing there had been a couple of wounded, 142 00:08:32,720 --> 00:08:40,440 one of them dead, it was not difficult to deduce the rest (no?) 143 00:08:41,000 --> 00:08:46,000 It was Iker, my eldest son who called me and said: 144 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:52,640 “Dad, come quickly, Aitor has been stabbed and he is in bad shape” 145 00:08:53,080 --> 00:08:56,080 They had taken his hat which they threw away 146 00:08:56,080 --> 00:08:59,240 and seized his girl friend, he tried to react 147 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:03,520 and then they all ran to the stadium followed by the attackers. 148 00:09:03,880 --> 00:09:10,240 Our group was retarded because they were with a 10 year old kid. 149 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,440 Telling his girl friend to go on, 150 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,040 Aitor stopped and faced them. 151 00:09:17,040 --> 00:09:20,800 "Please don’t! Shit! Leave this kid in peace!" 152 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:22,600 "Aren’t you ashamed?" 153 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:26,600 At that moment he was surrounded and seized by the others… 154 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:28,400 and that was when… 155 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:32,680 Early morning of october 6th, between the 6th and the 7th, 156 00:09:32,680 --> 00:09:35,400 I was wandering in Las Ramblas, 157 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:38,400 I always buy the newspaper at that time, 158 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,080 and I noticed in the front page of La Vanguardia 159 00:09:42,080 --> 00:09:46,200 that a transexual had been murdered in La Ciutadella Park. 160 00:09:46,200 --> 00:09:50,400 I was very impressed because nobody knew anything of the matter… 161 00:09:50,440 --> 00:09:53,640 We were aware that Sonia and her friend Doris, 162 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:57,400 together with other poor people who had no place to sleep, 163 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,280 used to stay in the area. 164 00:09:59,280 --> 00:10:03,000 It seems that after they closed the park of La Ciutadella 165 00:10:03,000 --> 00:10:04,800 they were left alone, 166 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:07,400 they had the sinister idea of killing Sonia, 167 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:09,720 which they did with total impunity. 168 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:14,400 I was present in the court during the process of the skin heads, 169 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,440 the neo-nazis who murdered the transexual Sonia 170 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,840 and the summary of the proceedings was flabbergasting 171 00:10:20,840 --> 00:10:23,520 because of the incredible things that were done, 172 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:26,000 Don’t forget that besides murdering Sonia, 173 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:30,720 they also attacked another transsexual and they left a poor indigent blind, 174 00:10:30,720 --> 00:10:33,880 which confirms that these hoodlums, many of them minors, 175 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,080 went on a hunting party, and they were very successful 176 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,400 A friday evening, durings the town festivities, 177 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:44,200 a group of youngsters from the neighborhood of “Las Arenas” 178 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:47,200 was participating in the celebration through town, 179 00:10:47,200 --> 00:10:51,000 found him sleeping where he slept every night, 180 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:56,000 and with no reason at all, they decided to beat him. 181 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,480 The aggression started by kicking him with hands and feet, spitting. 182 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,240 And finally knocking him with an iron bar in the head until he died. 183 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:12,800 When they arrived, one of them came close to me, 184 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:17,320 you see?... and he shouted: 185 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:22,160 "man, you are probably one of those ...who support ETA, are’nt you?” 186 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:27,280 Another one came to my back and kicked me in the legs. 187 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:36,480 The tallest wore a balaclava that climbed. 188 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:44,440 Then they all started to beat me…. 189 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:48,640 The only thing I can remember after that 190 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:52,720 it is when I woke up in the hospital. 191 00:11:53,080 --> 00:11:57,960 I learned that the Municipal Police had arrested them, 192 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,640 an hour and a half after the beating. 193 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:06,480 the next day I found out that my aggressors were military, 194 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:12,840 I was irritated to a point I could not stand… 195 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,920 I was walking in the neighborhood, close to my Secondary School 196 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:18,360 I had a date with a girlfriend, 197 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:22,880 three youngsters came from behind me and without saying a word, 198 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,720 they grabbed me and said: “You come with us, honey” 199 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:29,280 and they kicked me in the stomach. 200 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:33,400 After the third kick I could hardly breathe, I fell to the floor, 201 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:37,400 they opened my trenchcoat and I don’t know exactly how they did it, 202 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:40,800 it´s supposed it was with a knifeblade, burning a knifeblade. 203 00:12:41,280 --> 00:12:44,480 At first I did’nt know what they were doing, 204 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:51,120 but I would never have imagined that it could be a nazi cross. 205 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:55,200 I was in the place we had in Salamanca, 206 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:59,000 and when I went out to throw the garbage. 207 00:12:59,000 --> 00:13:04,120 At that moment... I saw three nazis. 208 00:13:04,600 --> 00:13:08,720 They surrounded me and started immediately to hit me, 209 00:13:08,920 --> 00:13:12,840 and when I tried to defend myself from the blows 210 00:13:12,840 --> 00:13:18,240 that were coming from both sides, the guy from the left stabbed me. 211 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:21,680 One of them was a proffesional soldier 212 00:13:21,680 --> 00:13:25,760 the second was a National Police's son, 213 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:29,800 who was trying to enter in the Municipal Police, 214 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:33,520 the last one, was a guy from a workers neighbourhood, 215 00:13:33,520 --> 00:13:39,360 who is now a delegate of the ultra right party "Democracia Nacional". 216 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:45,440 I was attacked in February 2007. 217 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,680 Four years ago, in Alcala de Henares. 218 00:13:56,440 --> 00:14:01,640 A guy (who attacked me), asked me for tobacco, I didn't have any. 219 00:14:01,880 --> 00:14:06,280 and he started insulting me, the typical fascist insults you know, 220 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,120 and when I tried to leave, 221 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,480 he stroke me in the back of the head and I fell down. 222 00:14:19,120 --> 00:14:22,640 It's still as it was, you see it is still broken. 223 00:14:25,880 --> 00:14:28,720 They made a hole in the wall. 224 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:34,000 The other grilled wall did not exist, they must have placed it now. 225 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:38,760 They made a hole with shears, they threw in an flammable liquid. 226 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:41,840 They closed the doors to help the combustion 227 00:14:42,440 --> 00:14:46,840 and they burned us the way you see, the complete local. 228 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,400 The roof, the walls, absolutely everything. 229 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,800 This local had been operative for over thirty years, 230 00:14:55,800 --> 00:15:00,960 as the siege of the Comunist Party, in fact you still can see the posters 231 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:04,240 Many fascist aggressions have taken place here, 232 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,360 and this has been one of them. 233 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:10,640 An fascist aggression carried out by organized fascist groups. 234 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:14,800 Since March 2006 we began suffering aggressions 235 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:20,280 Throw of firewoks rockets to anyone who was at the door, 236 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:24,440 refugees or inmmigrants, 237 00:15:24,440 --> 00:15:30,480 sealing repeatedly with silicon keyholes of the doors, etc. 238 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:39,040 Then, in February 2007, there was a change on the type of aggressions. 239 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:44,800 They started to place explosives, home made, with rockets, 240 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,800 capable to produce explosions, 241 00:15:48,800 --> 00:16:00,280 breaking of glasses of doors and windows as you have seen. 242 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:03,600 The attack against Esquerra Republicana 243 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,240 was the ultimate end of a number of different attacks, 244 00:16:07,240 --> 00:16:10,920 against the siege of the Bloc, against leftist militants, 245 00:16:10,920 --> 00:16:13,320 against nationalists, 246 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,160 which represented a qualitative change as you have seen. 247 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:20,600 The conclusion is that we must fear that since 248 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,600 they carried shrapnel and a temporizer 249 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,480 there was danger of real and great damage. 250 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:33,280 It was March the 1st., when they placed the incendiary bomb, 251 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,640 here, in the theater Alfil. 252 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:41,800 They had thrown flammable liquid over some posters we had prepared, 253 00:16:42,280 --> 00:16:45,120 and placed the bomb on top of them. 254 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:51,600 At that moment, the supervisor, while making his round, 255 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:59,000 smelled a strange odor, and noticed the wick burning, 256 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:05,880 then he rushed to remove the wick of the mechanism 257 00:17:05,880 --> 00:17:10,000 and took the bomb to the box office and called the police. 258 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:15,760 This type of murders, or aggressions, have always the common objective 259 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,200 to punish those who are lees favoured, 260 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,000 to punish those who cannot defend themselves, 261 00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:22,880 who are completely innocent, 262 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:25,400 just because they live a different way of life. 263 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:32,720 They started to arrest, but… they also started to “de-arrest” 264 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:38,360 Then the “Mossos d’Escuadra” (catalonia police corps) 265 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:40,760 during an investigation in a drug case, 266 00:17:40,760 --> 00:17:42,800 put a tap on the telepnones, 267 00:17:42,800 --> 00:17:48,280 and during a conversation with one of the parents of Sonia's murderers, 268 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:52,200 they could listen the voice of a kid saying: 269 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:54,800 “Listen, you must not say a word... 270 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,800 ...about what happened to Sonia in the park of La Ciutadella”. 271 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,200 The Mossos d’Escuadra have this recording, 272 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:04,720 and they showed it to the Judge, who then decided to transfer 273 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:07,600 the whole investigation dossier to the Police 274 00:18:07,600 --> 00:18:11,400 At this point we found the sordid details of a conspirancy 275 00:18:11,400 --> 00:18:13,640 which we have denounced since the beginning, 276 00:18:13,640 --> 00:18:16,720 that is the collusion between this gang and the Policia Nacional, 277 00:18:16,720 --> 00:18:18,800 either direcly or through other connections. 278 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:20,600 This was never clarified, 279 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,840 but we have always sustained there was a direct relationship 280 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,200 between the Policia Nacional and the guys that had been arrested. 281 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:33,480 Since Aitor's death, in the street, with thousands of witnesses seing it, 282 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,920 in front of the stadium Vicente Calderón, 283 00:18:37,920 --> 00:18:42,360 the Police began to investigate among the ultra right wing groups 284 00:18:42,360 --> 00:18:45,760 which are always around the south side of the stadium. 285 00:18:46,120 --> 00:18:48,920 There were many arrests and it seems now, 286 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,840 from the declaration of some of the persons arrested, 287 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:59,080 that Ricardo Guerra Cuadrado had been the author of the stabbing, 288 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:04,440 and the investigation on the possible participation of third parties 289 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,920 was abandoned to focus all efforts exclusively 290 00:19:07,920 --> 00:19:14,560 on the direct participation of Ricardo Guerra Cuadrado in Aitor´s death. 291 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:18,920 I have a very clear impression of the role of the police, 292 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,600 especially of the members of the police who started the investigation, 293 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:28,800 They declared immediately “we know who they are, and we will get them... 294 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,400 Actually some of them have already been arrested…” 295 00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:38,440 We all hoped then that matters would be solved differently. 296 00:19:39,160 --> 00:19:45,960 But if it was true that there were several arrests, 297 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:48,360 they soon started to “de-arrest” them, 298 00:19:48,360 --> 00:19:54,400 that is letting them go through the back door… 299 00:19:54,400 --> 00:19:58,640 What kind of conspiration was this? Nobody knows, 300 00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:04,160 but knowing the antecedents of every guy who had been arrested, 301 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:08,000 with right wing connections and who their friends were, 302 00:20:08,000 --> 00:20:10,160 you see what I mean?… 303 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:13,000 The policemen called my wife 304 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,880 to inform her of what had happened. 305 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:20,920 When she went to the police station 306 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:24,240 to make a statement 307 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:30,720 she was told it had already been done by the Police. 308 00:20:31,520 --> 00:20:35,480 When they said that everything had already been done, 309 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:39,520 They gave me a lot of papers to prove it. 310 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,440 I thought that after that logically 311 00:20:42,440 --> 00:20:47,000 the culprit was already in the hands of the police, 312 00:20:47,000 --> 00:20:50,000 but obviously that was not what occurred. 313 00:20:50,160 --> 00:20:55,200 The author of the aggression was initially arrested by the Police 314 00:20:55,200 --> 00:20:58,680 because they had been informed from the hospital 315 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:02,520 that Miwa was in a state of coma. 316 00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:05,680 The Judge automatically let him free, 317 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,720 accusing them only of a case of injuries. 318 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:12,160 In all the cases where we have been present, 319 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,800 it has been exasperating and hopeless 320 00:21:14,800 --> 00:21:19,400 to see the lack of depth and rigor of the investigation, 321 00:21:19,400 --> 00:21:23,680 the nature of the aggressions and the end results. 322 00:21:24,200 --> 00:21:26,200 When we found the local burned, 323 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:28,480 we called the Police, they came and said: 324 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:31,080 “uuuhh! We have to call special investigators" 325 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:34,160 They stayed all day waiting for the specialists, 326 00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,040 to collect pieces of the wall 327 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:38,960 to verify the type of flammable liquids they had used, 328 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:42,800 which meant that we stayed five hours in the police station, 329 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,320 When we finished we were told the complaint had already been made, 330 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,000 and it said that the local had been burnt, that was all. 331 00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:53,600 We said: "that was not our declaration" 332 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,400 we insisted that the important thing was who had done it, 333 00:21:57,400 --> 00:22:00,800 and where those aggressions came from, 334 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:02,800 because it was not he first time, 335 00:22:02,800 --> 00:22:05,200 and well all this took three more hours... 336 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:08,600 They said they would add an attachment to the declaration, 337 00:22:08,600 --> 00:22:11,960 but they refused to give us a copy, so that it practically never existed. 338 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:16,320 The role of the Police was of total obstruction, 339 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:22,160 from the first moment they tried to dodge the issue, 340 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,240 to avoid any relationship with a political aggression, 341 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,600 even less a fascist aggression. 342 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:32,720 After five hours of their alleged detention, 343 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,320 they were released on bail, 344 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,880 while they didn´t let me present myself or anything. 345 00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:43,400 During the weeks that preceded, 346 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:47,240 the programming of Leo’s show (Leo Bassi), 347 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,760 we received constant threats by telephone by mail and letters. 348 00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,080 We gave these stuff to the Police. 349 00:22:56,080 --> 00:23:03,000 They initated an investigation which later came to nothing, 350 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:10,160 as far as we know there were no concrete results. 351 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:15,520 However they assured us we would have protection and security 352 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:19,080 during the entire season in the theater. 353 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:24,280 - So we had a anti-riot police van, - Every night controlling the area. 354 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:28,440 because there had been several aggressions by fascist groups 355 00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:31,240 against the people in the queue to buy tickets. 356 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:34,400 The Police apparently arrived quite late. 357 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,800 Richar was taken away in a private car. 358 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:39,640 How did they act? 359 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,200 Awfully, it is true they arrested some people, several “punkies”, 360 00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,440 and the next day a Colombian youngster, 361 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:49,760 it was as if they knew nothing where as they were aware of everything. 362 00:23:49,760 --> 00:23:54,000 We were all concentrated in City Hall repeating the names of the culprits, 363 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,400 they kept shouting: “¡The Nazis did it!” 364 00:23:56,400 --> 00:23:58,480 because many people knew the Nazis. 365 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:01,360 and they gave the names to the Municipal Police. 366 00:24:01,360 --> 00:24:04,200 Finally a Town Councilor, or someone important came down to talk with us 367 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,000 and “shit!” they knew everything 368 00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:09,280 and yet they continued arresting arbitrarily who they wanted. 369 00:24:09,360 --> 00:24:13,960 At the beginning the policemen asked me normal things, 370 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,400 I mean things that were logical, 371 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,520 but then they started to ask me things like: 372 00:24:20,520 --> 00:24:24,280 “Why they had branded me with a Svastica (nazi cross)?" 373 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:26,840 "Which were my reasons or motives?" 374 00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:29,640 One of the policemen said that it was not the first time 375 00:24:29,640 --> 00:24:32,280 that a girl had tattooed herself with a Svastica to call the attention. 376 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:37,240 Then they told me that there could be other victims who could identify me, 377 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,080 and kept saying that I refused to cooperate, 378 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:42,840 implying that I could be guilty of the whole story. 379 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,640 In an indirect way they added that if I had been in their place, 380 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,280 I would understand perfectly their position. 381 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,600 It´s incredible, you come as a victim, 382 00:24:50,600 --> 00:24:54,920 and they want to make you feel guilty of what has happened to you. 383 00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:57,400 It is obvious that the State, 384 00:24:57,400 --> 00:25:01,000 either governed by the PSOE or by the PP, 385 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,160 has a life of its own, 386 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:07,920 and it operates under its own schemes, with its own inertia. 387 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:12,360 In many cases, neither the Judges nor the Police, 388 00:25:12,360 --> 00:25:15,960 who have not made a transition towards democracy, 389 00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,800 neither Courts nor the Police, 390 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:24,800 still keep old habits or vices in the application of the law, 391 00:25:24,800 --> 00:25:30,200 which include very often that there are privileged victims, 392 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,920 while others are simply ignored. 393 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:38,000 What is evident is that there is a clear tolerance 394 00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:41,400 from the Police towards the ultra right groups. 395 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:45,920 While any demonstration or acts against the system, 396 00:25:45,920 --> 00:25:49,920 is closely limitated, surveilled and harassed, 397 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:56,000 and provocative can infiltrate them with total permisivity of the Police, 398 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,800 it is obvious that there is a great tolerance 399 00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:03,760 in all the acts of the racist and fascist groups. 400 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:10,880 "The juddgement (hearing) was long, bothersome, and that’s what happened" 401 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:15,960 The Police has always hindered the investigation, 402 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:19,000 whenever inevitably some of the murderers 403 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:21,200 have been captured and arrested, 404 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,200 they have always found Judges ready to let them free. 405 00:26:24,400 --> 00:26:27,320 The two persons who were supposedly guilty of the facts, 406 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,240 it means of the knock in the head, 407 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:31,040 were free in he streets after two months. 408 00:26:31,040 --> 00:26:33,400 The process took place after more than a year, almost two, 409 00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,960 and aside fom some indemnization, some fines and some social work, 410 00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:38,800 none of them went to jail. 411 00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:41,760 And the worst sentence was two years because they were all minors. 412 00:26:41,760 --> 00:26:44,600 To conclude, they kill a person, battered 413 00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:48,000 and they are all back in the streets and moreover 414 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:52,920 it was not expensive for them, and that is what we got at the end. 415 00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:56,600 The three girls were capable of identifying a youngster, 416 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,080 a minor (he was 17, almost 18), 417 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:03,560 and he was condemned by a Court Judge of Minors, 418 00:27:03,560 --> 00:27:09,040 I don’t recall if it was to one year only to social work. 419 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:11,680 That is the same sentence I would get 420 00:27:11,680 --> 00:27:14,680 if I was caught painting a wall with a spray. 421 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,400 They went to the trial presenting themselves as victims, 422 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,200 as if they had been the object of the aggression, 423 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:24,400 as if they had been intimidated by the people who waited outside, 424 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,000 as well as by the Police, because they told them 425 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,200 they would have to spend one night at the Police Station, 426 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,160 which they never did. 427 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,800 The judgement was long, tedious 428 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:38,680 and you saw how it ended, 429 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:42,280 they acquietted four of them of the plot, 430 00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:47,600 and accused only the one who had executed the crime. 431 00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,280 He was sentenced to 14 years, 432 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:57,320 Virgilio de la Torre appealed to the Constitutional Cort, 433 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,920 or to the Supreme Court, I don’t remember exactly, 434 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:04,760 and they added two tears to the sentence. 435 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,480 In total, they were set free after four years for good behaviour. 436 00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,400 They were all absolved, 437 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:13,640 except “the Majorcan” who was condemned to 15 years 438 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:15,960 and was liberated after 5, I think. 439 00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:20,520 - There was no justice. - Nothing! there was no justice! 440 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,360 As for me, There was no justice 441 00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:25,200 There was no justice at all! Not at all! 442 00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:29,000 Not even with Guerra, let me tell you. 443 00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:33,440 While they sentenced him to 17 years, 444 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:38,560 the Popular Jury demanded that he complied with the full term, 445 00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:42,240 and bla, bla, bla… nothing was done. 446 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:46,720 We tried to have Bastion accused of Illicit Association. 447 00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:50,560 The Public Prosecutor opposed it at all times 448 00:28:50,560 --> 00:28:52,960 and he argued during the hearings 449 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:56,560 these things that made difficult the investigation 450 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:01,040 and made impossible accusing the groups of ultra right. 451 00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:06,400 The problem, if any, was previously created by the Prosecutor 452 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:14,760 "It has been demonstrated there is an organized scheme behind these crimes" 453 00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:18,080 The majority of neonazi aggressions 454 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:21,480 have been filed as clashesot skirmishes among youngsters. 455 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,320 This is unconceivable, 456 00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:26,840 because the different declarations have never been clarified. 457 00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:29,720 This lack of clarity of the declarations 458 00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,840 has been used by the Public Prosecutor Office and in the courts, 459 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:37,320 which has rendered a verdict of juvenile fights. 460 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,120 There is a generalized opinion that these are isolated groups, 461 00:29:42,120 --> 00:29:45,560 that they are not politized, etc… 462 00:29:45,560 --> 00:29:50,120 but then facts prove the contrary, and they know it. 463 00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,720 During the trial they wanted to find 464 00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:55,400 if we were organized between both groups, 465 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,320 and they said we had come down to be togeher. 466 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,280 - The solution of the cowards. - That’s what they wanted no? 467 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:04,400 They wanted to discredit all versions 468 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,400 that tried to defend and support Richar, 469 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:11,720 proving that we were organized to provoke fights, 470 00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,600 and we were after them… 471 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,000 When a Delegate of The Government from Madrid 472 00:30:18,000 --> 00:30:22,440 stopped being a Delegate and he is interviewed in another place, 473 00:30:22,680 --> 00:30:25,680 he admits that we are talking of political ideas, 474 00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,880 that it is a case of racism, of the ideas of Nazism and fascism. 475 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,800 Oddly enough he speaks officially as a Delegate, 476 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,920 he repeats again and again that the murder is an “isolated case…” 477 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,960 Let’s have it clear, 478 00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:40,360 an isolated case is not something that occurs repeatedly, 479 00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,800 an isolated case is not something the Nazis do, you know? 480 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,520 It is not an isolated case when they repeat the beating several times, 481 00:30:46,520 --> 00:30:50,000 and when they do it to three girls, and there have more cases. 482 00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000 They aggress once and again 483 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,200 persons simply they think different than they do. 484 00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:59,000 The victims of fascism and police violence during the Transition 485 00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,800 are not recognized, nor the new victims. 486 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:05,560 The case of Carlos Palomino is one of these cases, 487 00:31:05,560 --> 00:31:08,920 it has been declared as fight between gangs, 488 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:12,120 as if two bullies had a fight. 489 00:31:12,120 --> 00:31:14,240 When the truth was that one of them, 490 00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,280 the fascist, was a military who stabbed someone in the subway. 491 00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,000 Instead of considering the incident 492 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,480 as a problem due to the existence of fascism, 493 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,400 they treat it as a matter of urban gangs, 494 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,280 They match people who doesn´t do evil, 495 00:31:29,280 --> 00:31:33,360 who are fighting for social justice and for equal rights, 496 00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:37,400 with those ones who attack homosexuals, immigrants, 497 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,040 any person which they consider leftist 498 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,160 or indigent they find in the streets. 499 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:48,640 The argument of our team of lawyers 500 00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,960 was to prove that there was an organized political scheme 501 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:58,160 acting with total impunity in the province of Valencia. 502 00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,720 We knew that Cuevas was a nazi, 503 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,600 which was demonstrated when he was caught during “Operation Panzer” 504 00:32:05,600 --> 00:32:07,600 within a paramilitary organization. 505 00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,720 It was the Guardia Civil who seized him, 506 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:11,760 which proves beyond any doubt 507 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:16,240 that the court judgement at the time was a total lie, 508 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:18,280 after it has been proven 509 00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:20,920 there was an organized nazi scheme behind them. 510 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:23,080 In the three most important cases, 511 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:26,600 “Hammerskin, Blood and Honor, and Panzer operation”, 512 00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,680 the essential point was that those groups were organized, 513 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:35,640 had their own hierarchy, an ideology, and acted with strategic objectives. 514 00:32:35,640 --> 00:32:39,360 This was demonstrated by the Guardia Civil during the investigation. 515 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,200 Let us hope that the Public Prosecutors Office 516 00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,000 assume their responsibility and accuse them of Illicit Association. 517 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:49,720 It´s known that some people who were already inside the stadium 518 00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:53,800 (the doors were closed, they only opened a little later), 519 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,000 cheered and applauded the aggression. 520 00:32:56,000 --> 00:33:00,000 It seems bad to me that this has not been investigated for the police, 521 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,840 but it seems worse to me 522 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,600 that it has not been investigated for the Athlético de Madrid. 523 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,800 I mean, you know you have a group in your staff 524 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,920 that is cheering an aggression by people from an ultra right group, 525 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,800 and you don´t do anything to investigate what was going on. 526 00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:19,680 Frankly I consider this is a very serious attitude. 527 00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,800 The teams have never admitted that they are most responsible 528 00:33:23,800 --> 00:33:27,240 for allowing this kind of people in their stadiums, 529 00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:31,600 and given them the protection of a sport team and its organization 530 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,280 to commit the atrocities they repeatedly perpetrate. 531 00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:38,160 This type of people aren’t football players, 532 00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,800 they don’t like football nor any sport, they are just hoodlums. 533 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,800 "nobody is interested in a serious analysis... 534 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,240 ...to reach coherent conconclusions" 535 00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:21,960 I ignore whether City Hall made any approach to the family, 536 00:34:21,960 --> 00:34:25,360 it certainly said nothing to us, quite the contrary, 537 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:29,120 our acts and meetings were surveilled with full attention, 538 00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,320 just remember the first public gathering 539 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:35,360 when City Hall permitted police indiscriminated charges, 540 00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:37,800 throwing smoke bombs, everything, 541 00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:41,040 How did politicians react? Poorly, they didn’t do anything. 542 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,600 The City Hall of my town, 543 00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,720 with the exception of the representatives of the PP, 544 00:34:47,720 --> 00:34:54,000 supported a motion of solidarity with me, 545 00:34:54,000 --> 00:35:01,360 and revealing the presence of these groups out of control 546 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,200 throughout the city, we don’t want them here, 547 00:35:05,200 --> 00:35:11,560 The City hall of Donosti also showed solidarity with me, 548 00:35:11,560 --> 00:35:19,040 including a representative of the Partido Popular (PP). 549 00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:24,000 Yes, I was with the Minister of Interior, Mayor Oreja at the time, 550 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:26,000 among many things he told me. 551 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,720 “Listen, I will visit you. Come and see me any time... 552 00:35:29,720 --> 00:35:32,720 ...to the office of the Delegate of the Government” 553 00:35:32,720 --> 00:35:35,560 I said to him: “Look, don’t bother to come to see me, 554 00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,400 the only thing you have to do is arrest that bunch of jerks” 555 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:46,200 Well, yes, many nice words, a lot of “we are here to support you” 556 00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:50,240 “whatever you need… we shall be here” 557 00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,880 But later on, in spite of all they proposed, 558 00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,800 they have denied regularly, 559 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:01,560 denying something so obvious even for them. 560 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:08,000 Even the minister Rubalcaba who interviewed me, 561 00:36:09,920 --> 00:36:13,800 implied that Carlos was one of their own… no? 562 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:19,200 during the mourning, saying that he was only a kid, 563 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,760 the way it all happened, etc. 564 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:27,080 well, if that’s the way he acts with "one of us", 565 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,040 what can we expect, tell me? 566 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:35,360 On the part of people is majority support 567 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,600 but by the rest is insignificant, it doesn´t exist. 568 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:41,560 We organized a demonstration in the Paseo de Extremadura, 569 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:43,400 and the participation of people 570 00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:45,720 being a working class neighborhood, was impressive 571 00:36:45,720 --> 00:36:47,800 It has an important support by people 572 00:36:47,800 --> 00:36:50,360 and by neighbors’ associations of the workers. 573 00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:54,280 There were around ten anti-riot police vans 574 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,280 To protect us? Against whom? 575 00:36:56,360 --> 00:37:02,520 This is Libertad street, the demonstration walked through it. 576 00:37:02,600 --> 00:37:06,920 And they changed the name in the plaque to: 577 00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:10,200 “Guillem Agulló, killed by the fascists”. 578 00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,480 The truth in the Sonia´s case, by institutions the reaction was 579 00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:18,680 they didn´t have any possibility to say something different. 580 00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:22,800 We left it very clear, from the first moment, that it was a murder. 581 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:24,760 We were lucky that La vanguardia, 582 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:28,120 which is a newspaper of great prestigy in Barcelona, 583 00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:29,960 was positioned in our favor, 584 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,400 and the journalist who discovered the case 585 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:37,080 from the first moment till the trial followed closely the investigation. 586 00:37:37,080 --> 00:37:39,480 La Vanguardia – we must admit it – 587 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,240 did an interesting and good job. 588 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,040 The mass media have been, 589 00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,400 I must say it, a way out for me, 590 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:57,360 which helped me to take things to a court judgement, 591 00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:07,840 something I really needed. 592 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,440 They have supported me a lot. 593 00:38:10,720 --> 00:38:14,400 Even the Prosecutor was informed, while he was on holidays. 594 00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,880 Without the media and the television, 595 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:23,760 nobody would have been aware of the case of a black man as Miwa. 596 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:30,560 It was on TV in my town, here in Euskal Herria, 597 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:35,000 and in all the newspapers and on the radio. 598 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:38,480 Even the President of the Basque Country phoned me. 599 00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:41,560 I had never seen so much coverage in the press, 600 00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:47,760 the mere fact that somebody could be interested 601 00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:51,040 in placing a bomb in a theater. 602 00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:59,360 No? This was significant, something that reminded old times. 603 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,320 At the end, the treatment which public institutions, 604 00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:06,200 communication media and other “powers” give to a case is what benefits them. 605 00:39:06,200 --> 00:39:08,240 If, at the beginning they gave a bit of coverage, 606 00:39:08,240 --> 00:39:10,560 it was because there was a death, it was morbid. 607 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:13,960 But gradually, by the time to make a good diagnosis, 608 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,240 to analyse all that had happened, 609 00:39:16,240 --> 00:39:18,520 as usual they were no longer interested 610 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,040 in giving the real information for everybody can see it. 611 00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:25,280 I don’t knowhow much garbage they can throw to my son, 612 00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:30,720 to those who died, or survived, I don’t care, because… 613 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:35,120 they are always ready to see the guilt of others, 614 00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:38,760 but never to accept theirs, no matter how big it may be. 615 00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:48,000 "We are only shadows, ghosts of the History, of politics… of life" 616 00:39:56,480 --> 00:40:00,040 Under the same circumstances, that a son loses his father, 617 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:02,000 that’s easier to understand, 618 00:40:02,240 --> 00:40:07,600 but that a father loses his son, is something you will never assimilate. 619 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:12,280 It happened 13 years ago, and for me it’s like the first day 620 00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:16,200 The families and the friends are powerless, 621 00:40:16,200 --> 00:40:20,600 because nobody understands the treatment they have received, 622 00:40:20,600 --> 00:40:25,400 and they see how their cases are judged like victims of delinquency 623 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,200 instead of considering them victims of hatred. 624 00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,000 Until the victims are clearly differentaiated, 625 00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,880 they cannot expect any recognition of the truth. 626 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:40,000 Impunity means that there aren't processes against criminals guilty 627 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:44,960 of violating several of the principles defended by the UN 628 00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:48,720 in any instance where Human Rights violation occurs, 629 00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:50,760 when truth is demanded, 630 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:55,800 reparation is obligatory as well as the right to Justice 631 00:40:55,840 --> 00:41:00,000 If Justice must prevail, we should talk of 632 00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:06,040 public and political and legal recognition of who the victims are. 633 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,040 There are some general considerations 634 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,600 to be made before speaking of recognition, which nobody mentions. 635 00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,920 Today there is a great sensibility in society 636 00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:21,400 towards the victims of terrorism, but not in all cases. 637 00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,880 The other victims don’t count, 638 00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:30,640 they are not worth talking about them nor taking them into consideration. 639 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:32,080 What happens when a young boy is killed? 640 00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,080 Look at the kid that was murdered recently in Madrid. 641 00:41:35,080 --> 00:41:38,160 Wher are the polititians and the TV programs now? 642 00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:40,000 And where is the help now, 643 00:41:40,000 --> 00:41:41,920 when nobody even remembers him? We remember him! 644 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:45,640 Supposedly we are a Democracy, and in order to defend it, 645 00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:50,600 they cannot accept the existence of victims for political reasons, 646 00:41:50,600 --> 00:41:54,600 that would contrary to their “democratic aesthetics” 647 00:41:54,600 --> 00:42:01,040 That is why we are compelled to be what we are, shadows, ghosts… 648 00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:04,600 History ghosts, political ghosts. 649 00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:10,800 That’s the way they treat us, like ghosts, we don’t exist. 650 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:14,480 The victim dies a first time when they take his life, 651 00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,400 and a second time when he is forgotten when he no longer exists officially, 652 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,920 it’ a double murder. For me, this the worse above all. 653 00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:33,200 I don’t consider myself excluded from society, 654 00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:38,480 actually I feel part of it, 655 00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:45,960 but the new cases bring back memories… 656 00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:51,400 And you dream every day of your son. 657 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:55,320 You think, and you dream about him. 658 00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:59,200 Something they stole from you unjustly. 659 00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:02,040 It’s unfair, more than unfair because 660 00:43:02,240 --> 00:43:08,560 they don’t recognize that the death of your son was caused by intolerance 661 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,560 That is the battle we must not forget… 662 00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:16,920 And Guillem is not the only one, 663 00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,080 there are many more who have never been recognized…